daraag Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 The GrandMA had most of the rig including generics which were merged with control from the HOG emmm ok it doesn't sum it up for me. How can you merge a grand ma with a hog II ? with control for both only coming coming form the hog II. midi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDD Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 How can you merge a grand ma with a hog II ?Presumably by merging the DMX from both desks, either via a 'DMX in' on the Hog or a specialist merge box. Alternatively, each desk could've been running it's own universes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daraag Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Presumably by merging the DMX from both desks, either via a 'DMX in' on the Hog or a specialist merge box. Alternatively, each desk could have been running it's own universes. Okay, maybe I'm thinking overtime here, the key here is that the control for the whole show is coming from the hog II.If each desk had their own universes' how is control only coming from the hog. As for merging the DMX from both desks, here is what is in my head as regards that theory. okay lets say 2 universes are outputted from the grand ma and than inputed into the hog with whatever merge they are using, how are the grand ma effects and cues presets executed from the hog II. Just a side note I have experience on both hog and grand ma and use both frequently although I am primarily a hog user. what I find strange is that surely the grand ma could of ran the whole rig whithout the use of the hog. Sorry if this doesn't make sense, but I'm curious as to how control is utilised to control two consoles of different brands. I have no experience with time code and this is what I'm thinking is being utilised to trigger the MA.........or maybe not, can anyone explain. Thanks. :D - quote tags fixed. Please refer to this post, and make sure that the BB Code tags are correct in your posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjshelton Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 the key here is that the control for the whole show is coming from the hog II. Hi Daraag, The way that I understand the control system as described by Fraggle is that the Hog and the GrandMA are outputting the DMX for there various parts of the rig, this is then merged, usually done by a DMX merge device (Such as the XTBA Smart Merge 2). This would save running 2 DMX multi's to the stage and would mean that the multi would be plugged into the (or several) DMX merge. Certainly this is what I have used in the past on bigger rigs that have had multiple desks in control of different areas of the rig. Hope this helps, and as I said this is just my understanding from Fraggle's description, I could be completely wrong! (It's been known once... or maybe twice!) Cheers Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daraag Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Hi Dan,thanks for explaining that. That makes perfect sense to me, if that is what being done. I thought some revolutionary or simple console practise was slipping by me and leaving me in the dust. It was wrecking my head though, I was even rattling anyone I could get my hands on at a gig today about this control coming from the hog. ThanksDara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraggle Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 Hi Dan,thanks for explaining that. That makes perfect sense to me, if that is what being done. I thought some revolutionary or simple console practise was slipping by me and leaving me in the dust. It was wrecking my head though, I was even rattling anyone I could get my hands on at a gig today about this control coming from the hog. ThanksDara Apologies If I wasn't very clear previously, I've been busy you know and I'm sure a comma or 2 wouldn't have gone amiss. To recap: GrandMA has control of the flown moving lights, the colour scrollers and strobes (5 universes ouptted from 2 NSP units) and also has control of the generic lights which are patched to a single DMX universe. This GrandMA output was fed into an artistic License DMX merge unit along with one DMX line from the Hog 2, which would also control the generics. The Hog 2 console also had 2 further DMX universes patched, one for the downstage truss MAC 2000's and another for the floor moving lights (Studiobeam PCs). The LD and GrandMA operator on the tour as on previous tours was Rod Clay with the Hog 2 system ebing operated by Gavin Norris. I can't comment on the why they didn't want to use the Virtuoso DX on this tour when they insited on it on the last tour , since I wasn't on the crew for the last one, although I do know Rod loves the Virtuoso. However I do know that at the Carling Weekend 2004 that they headlined, the Virtuoso crashed blacking out the set mid show and making us scramble for the backup console... All the best, F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daraag Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 thanks Fraggle, that clears it all up me.Dara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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