Ynot Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 <Snipped garbled response>PHEW!!OK - sorry James, but another critique here from me, I'm afraid, before I go back to your points.I almost came away from your last post with brain-ache!!!If you take time to surf around the BR you'll get to know that we despise, as a group, poor spelling and grammar, and that post was, I'm afraid, FULL of both!Plus, I didn't know where to breathe!!! :) You'll get by MUCH better in life if you concentrate a little more on HOW you put yourself across to others. Anyway, back at the plot.The units you're taking sound as though you're looking at a rounded education, so that's not too bad (not knowing the course content, I've NO idea how rounded that'll be!) Once again, though, I would strongly recommend that you DON'T need to buy yourself a controller OR any movers yourself - unless of course you have rich parents with 4-figure disposable income!Whilst something like a Geni MAY give you some insight into some control aspects, it won't help you too much in the theatre side of desk protocols etc. Drop that idea, and talk to your tutors about your thoughts. TELL THEM that you want to explore ML's. ASK THEM if there's a chance of hiring in some kit to 'play with' as part of the course. If they say they have no budget, ASK THEM then if they'd object to YOU hiring the kit (Don't offer that up-front!) and for you to bring it into the college space to play with it. As a student, you do not and should not need to buy any such kit just to try to get ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niclights Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Thats not what Yale teach us but it is my opinion. I just hope that in time and with experience you change your mind and see the beauty of generics as well as intelligent (and LED). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techie18 Posted December 24, 2007 Author Share Posted December 24, 2007 <Snipped garbled response>PHEW!!OK - sorry James, but another critique here from me, I'm afraid, before I go back to your points.I almost came away from your last post with brain-ache!!!If you take time to surf around the BR you'll get to know that we despise, as a group, poor spelling and grammar, and that post was, I'm afraid, FULL of both!Plus, I didn't know where to breathe!!! :) You'll get by MUCH better in life if you concentrate a little more on HOW you put yourself across to others.Anyway, back at the plot.The units you're taking sound as though you're looking at a rounded education, so that's not too bad (not knowing the course content, I've NO idea how rounded that'll be!)Once again, though, I would strongly recommend that you DON'T need to buy yourself a controller OR any movers yourself - unless of course you have rich parents with 4-figure disposable income!Whilst something like a Geni MAY give you some insight into some control aspects, it won't help you too much in the theatre side of desk protocols etc. Drop that idea, and talk to your tutors about your thoughts. TELL THEM that you want to explore ML's. ASK THEM if there's a chance of hiring in some kit to 'play with' as part of the course. If they say they have no budget, ASK THEM then if they'd object to YOU hiring the kit (Don't offer that up-front!) and for you to bring it into the college space to play with it.As a student, you do not and should not need to buy any such kit just to try to get ahead.Sorry about that but I am new to this forum stuff, give it a few months and I will be used to how things with this work.Thanks for your advice I will certainly take onboard what you have said and speak to my tutor after christmas. Personally I think it should be something we get to use before going to uni as when you get to uni they have all the latest technology at your finger tips such as movers etc. Thanks again and please forgive my spelling and grammar. The first post I worte about my course units was in list form but this did not come out when I posted the reply. Sorry againThats not what Yale teach us but it is my opinion.I just hope that in time and with experience you change your mind and see the beauty of generics as well as intelligent (and LED).Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Sorry about that but I am new to this forum stuff, give it a few months and I will be used to how things with this work.No real problem.Just watch and learn! :) One thing may be unhelpful at your end - what browser are you using - it seems that all lengthy posts you make/quote are scrunched up into one big paragraph... That definitely looks hard to read. Oh - and cut down on how much you quote back in a response post - we only need to see bits that are relevant to your reply. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techie18 Posted December 24, 2007 Author Share Posted December 24, 2007 as we do not own movers I am guessing there is not reason why we would need to be taught about where movers get there power from etcBut I think that's kind of the point that people are making, James. It's clear that you're taking this course as a springboard into a career in technical theatre. When you start working in the industry, sooner or later (probably sooner) you're going to encounter moving lights, scrollers, and other bits of automated kit. If you came out of your National Diploma course not knowing about how to get power to these kinds of things, wouldn't you feel a bit under-equipped?I am guessing there is such a job as a moving LX isn't there?Well, yes - but it's a very limited market! It's only when you get to productions on a fairly large scale that you come across people engaged solely to look after moving lights. (Or those people empolyed as warehouse monkeys in the moving light department of large hire companies.) It would be very unusual to walk straight out of college and into something that specialised - you'd be better off setting your sights more broadly and getting some good solid general electrics experience first. I did some moving light tech work, for theatre and TV, while I was freelancing - but it was a very small proportion of my work compared with all the other stuff. There's only room for a very few people to make a good living doing moving lights stuff exclusively.I ask everones advise on this next question. If I decided to undertake a career in LX how would I go about this. I know bits about DMX, I know how to set up a analogue lighting system, I know bits about ethernet, I know what each lantern is and how to identify them, I think I know how to wire a plug (although this is something I need to recap on) as I haven't actually got to wire a plug since I was in school, I know pretty much most of the functions of the Strand 520I as this is our lighting board in college and have used a fat frog in the past, I can rig lights etc and want to learn and be able to use other LX equipment such as movers. How do I progress into this industry. Although I am doing a production course I absolutely hate some areas of production such as sound. I love the LX area and want to do something in this field whether it be theatre, touring or even working in a holiday park (which is what I might be doing next year). Do I got off to uni to study production lighting or do I try and find work in LX.Sorry about that but I am new to this forum stuff, give it a few months and I will be used to how things with this work.No real problem.Just watch and learn! :) One thing may be unhelpful at your end - what browser are you using - it seems that all lengthy posts you make/quote are scrunched up into one big paragraph... That definitely looks hard to read.Oh - and cut down on how much you quote back in a response post - we only need to see bits that are relevant to your reply. ;) Internet explorer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 what browser are you using - it seems that all lengthy posts you make/quote are scrunched up into one big paragraph... That definitely looks hard to read.Oh - and cut down on how much you quote back in a response post - we only need to see bits that are relevant to your reply. :)Internet explorerOK - so start snipping!!;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 - it seems that all lengthy posts you make/quote are scrunched up into one big paragraph... That definitely looks hard to read. That's not the poster's fault - it's a bug in the feature that "auto-merges" two adjacent posts by the same poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Langfeld Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!! If you are interested in a career in stage lighting, you need to fix this. Movers are not a replacement for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMC Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Great, yet another generation of college/university taught technicians who can't/wont focus a bl**dy profile! Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!! ... I'm speechless... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!!Sounds like we need to do "profile focussing for beginners" if you come to Clwyd on your work experience, then! We've got plenty of them for you to play with ... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamtastic3 Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!! Hmmm.... Apart from movers, I always find that profiles in rig are a luxury to have compared to your normal pars. A good set of S4 Zooms usually gives me a wow factor (because they ARE nice/good lights). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamchristuffin Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Don't get me wrong I enjoy using the old par cans these are great lanterns but when it comes to 1k profiles I can honestly say I am not there biggest fan!! Just wanted to add...I'd love to have some 1k profiles - all we've got is 650W Acclaim Zooms and 650W SL 15/32's!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljoshua Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 For some things I would still use a Patt23, that said some things do warrant a mover. Everything has it's place in theatre. Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ynot Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 .....and 650W SL 15/32's!!pedant Strand SL's use GKV600, NOT 650W bubbles... /pedant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamchristuffin Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Ummmmmm, OK, that's good to know, we've been using 650W bubbles since I joined the school! :o ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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