rishardamod Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 Hi, I've recently inherited the equipment in my school (I'm a Teacher) I do have extensive tech knowledge as I use to freelance as a tekkie in South Africa. The problem is that I want the outgoing state/step to go out over 5 secs and the next state/step to come in over 3 secs so that it is next scene leading thereby avoiding a dip. How do I set this on the Alcora Z88? I have read the manual which doesn't mention crossover in detail apart from the same timings in both the outgoing and incoming states. Please suggest how to do this in program mode. Otherwise I will have to run the show manually. Does anyone have a Tempus 24 for sale? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave e Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 As far as I can remember, (used to have an Alcora when I went to school), the Alxora doesnt have the feature for split timed cross fades. The people to talk to would be Zero 88 themselves. Im sure they'd be happy to help. Oh and Tempus 24 way desks seem to have become a rarity. I was searching for ages for a fully working one for a Uni research project. Could only lay my hands on my scholls old one which had 17 of 24 channels working. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baldwin Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 You can't do split (i.e. different up and down times) fades on the Alcora, I'm afraid.It's supposed to do dipless crossfading in any case. Sorry to be less than helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter Posted October 21, 2004 Share Posted October 21, 2004 My suggestion would be that perhaps your dimmers don't have a standard S-wave dimming curve. Which dimmers are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rishardamod Posted October 23, 2004 Author Share Posted October 23, 2004 Thanks for all the info. Really sad with the Alcora. I will check the dimmers and get back to you on the s-curve. This desk works perfectly other wise and I would gladly sell it to someone who wants a basic setup. Will also try contacts in South Africa for the Tempus 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagardner1984 Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 have you tried ex-hire lists etc for a Tempus 24 - there are links to secondhand stock on the FAQ section of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 AC Lighting also have an ex-hire and old stock list on its website which is usually quite large- you should have a look there. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagardner1984 Posted October 23, 2004 Share Posted October 23, 2004 Maybe have a look on classifieds/ebay/ad trader that kind of thing, you never know which school or community centre has an old desk that they are trying to shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I used to have an Elara and, IIRC, it would not do dipless x-fades either. This was on a variety of dimmers including Beta 2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagardner1984 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Could someone explain what the actual problem is here - I understand that each cue/scene in Zero88 speak, has an up time and a down time, and that on some desks you can set this, whilst on others you can't, but why, if there is say a five second up and a five second down, is there a dip in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P. Funk Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 because the desk does not 'sum' the outputs - if you have a fade down from one state and a fade up into the next (which for the sake of arguement is exactly the same as the last), then at 2.5 seconds in, the first state will have faded down to 50%, and the second will have faded *up* to 50%. Just because there are 2 states both at 50% doesn't mean that the desks output is any greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagardner1984 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Thanks for that P.Funk, I see what you mean. Are there other ways of dealing with this other than to have a Down Time of 5 and an Up Time of 3, for example? If lantern 26 is at 80% in Cue 10, and also 80% in Cue 11, does the desk realise not to take the lantern down to 40% in the middle of a five second x-fade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P. Funk Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Well on our board (where scenes are stored in submasters only) I have just told the lighting ops to bring the next state to full, and *then* taking the previous state down. Thats probably the easiest way of doing it. The only other way I can think of doing it 'properly' would be using a few different cues at once, and would be pretty complicated. Without having a genious operator, the chances of the execution of the cues going wrong would be too high for it to be worth plotting. EDIT: on an alcora... neither of the 2 things ive mentioned would work in stack operation - you'd have to use the 2 preset part of the desk as well (I might have misunderstood - I've never used one and I only realised what exactly it was having just looked it up on the z88 site). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagardner1984 Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 I know what I said about the different up and down time works on a computer desk, or at least the effect is barely noticeable (to me anyway). The other option would be to put a 5 sec delay on the down, so the lights in Cue 10, for example, will not start fading until the desk has brought up Q11. In answer to my previous question, presumably making a move fade rather than a x fade would solve the previous problem. (Why can't my brain work as fast as this board!) James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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