slim_mcslim Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 quick question about lighting desk suitability... the strand 200 is a fantastic little desk, how suitable is it for small theatre shows?of one week runs etc - just for 24 - 30 lanterns no movers. anyone else have any alternative suggestions to that? paul... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Perfectly suitable - probably about the best budget desk you'll find for this purpose. 24 (or 48) channels, 48 (or 96) programmable states, 24 programmable effects, timed crossfades (although not via a 'go' button, just between submasters - although it can be set up to go linearly through the programmed subs by taking the masters from end-stop to end-stop). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy! Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 How about a zero88 Sirius24/48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 The Sirius is a great lilttle theatre desk, Easy to program, A few manual masters, chase capability, 99 memories (before you add inserts), Theatre Stack (i.e. Go button capability), Nice little features like topset. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Re. the suggestions for a Sirius (or a "Series", which I assume is the same thing!) - they're passable theatre desks, no more than that (saying they're "great" is an enormous overstatement, if you ask me). But they're in a different price bracket to the 200-series - even a second-hand one will cost you way more than the price of a brand new 200 - and the way they deal with fade times and point cues really sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slim_mcslim Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 well I have not used a sirius before, but I had a 200 series from lighting hire the other week, and thought it was fantastic and did my 20 lanterns for a conference beautifully... just interested in what thoughts others had for small scale theatre, but I think I will get one in the new year - question is which one to go for... the 24 chan which is about £300 or the 48 chan which is about £470 plus the cost of a flight case thanks... paul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Re. the suggestions for a Sirius (or a "Series", which I assume is the same thing!) - they're passable theatre desks, no more than that (saying they're "great" is an enormous overstatement, if you ask me). OK- They may not be amazing (and I dont know the strand 200 so I cant make a comparison) however the sirius is nice and easy to program and has a nice simple stack opperation. For up to 48 channels theatre style its good in my oppinion. and the way they deal with fade times and point cues really sucks.What the sirius??- Fade times are easy on the sirius, enter your fade up and hit program time, enter your fade down and hit program time and your done. When you play it back make sure that your autofade master is up and your done. Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmonk Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Sirius does have an interesting way of dealing with fade times, not how all other desks record cues, in that to make a dipless xfade you have to have the fade up time in cue 5 the same as the fade down time in cue 4 ( for example ) which has its logic somewhere, but isnt how the rest of the world of cue times on lighting desks works... Sirius is also very limiting in its options and use, but a very good desk from its time.... For a small theatre show im sure a Strand 200 series would be fine, or something like a Compulite Spark LX also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 and the way they deal with fade times and point cues really sucks.What the sirius??- Fade times are easy on the sirius, enter your fade up and hit program time, enter your fade down and hit program time and your done. When you play it back make sure that your autofade master is up and your done.I guess you aren't familiar with the way that other memory desks deal with fade times! On any other console, you have two basic times associated with a cue - one which governs channels going up in that cue, one governing channels going down in the cue. ETC, Strand, Flying Pig, everyone except Zero88 - they all work this way. On a Sirius, the 'down' time shifts back by one cue - i.e. to control the timing for channels going down in level in cue (x), you have to apply the relevant 'down-fade' time to cue (x-1). That's totally counter-intuitive, and different to every other memory desk I've ever encountered. It also makes for headaches when a touring production electrician is unfortunate enough to encounter a Sirius in a tour venue - all the time you're crunching in the hard plot you've got to remember to shift all the 'down' times back by one cue, which can be a right pain in the a*se when you're up against it time-wise and you're trying to concentrate on balancing levels at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Fair enough- I only really use Zero88 desks (frog series, sirius, illusions- very occasionaly) so I woulnt know about how different this is when you are used to other desks!! Sorry, Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmonk Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 You would probably have noticed the difference between a Frog and a Sirius, the Frog programs times in "real world way" and the sirius programs fades in "zero88 way" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam.henderson Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 To be honest, they both make scense to me and somehow or other (even though I dont understand the logic to it all!) I always get the fade times I want! Sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSA Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Being a fairly well-versed Sirius 24 user I would say that the timings were indeed 'logical'. However I guess I am going to have problems when I now try to program a Strand, or whatever... But then again thats half the fun of learning! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Being a fairly well-versed Sirius 24 user I would say that the timings were indeed 'logical'.But if you want to program a fadde time for channels going down in level with, say, cue 8 then you have to program that time into cue 7! What's logical about that? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSA Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 ...because you are referring to the down time - which is still associated with the previous cue - because each cue contains data for the up and down time for the preset associated with the cue. The next cues down time refers to the fade into the following cue. I may read you wrong/be confused - but I find it quite a logical way of programming a stack. In order to get a nice xfade, you just ensure that the down and up times of adjacent cues match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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