S&L Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Dear All,I'm looking for some bargain basement recommendations for acceptable overheads to mic drums (2 overheads) - pulse or similar maybe? the venues - medium to large bars. the band - pop/rock. the purpose, to add a little projection (bass drum is already mic'ed separately) and to add to singers in ear monitors. being bars the stages are small so something with a directional pattern that doesn't pick up too much spill from adjacent monitors and back line would be helpful. I'm not precluding putting a full mic set clipped to drums (which I have done for others before) but for now the band/client want something simple with fewer channels (this suits me too since that will take me up to my 16 channel limit and keep a small desk). any suggestions for mics and tricks of the trade/tips would be welcome :o) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydrus Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'm more of a light guy but I do like the Oktava MK012 alot, it's not a KM184 but comes close in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&L Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'm more of a light guy but I do like the Oktava MK012 alot, it's not a KM184 but comes close in my opinion. I think we may have a different idea of budget! but thanks for the input - I'm looking in the below £75 per mic region for them. I know others have reported good serviceable mics from Pulse and the like in this price range but not for this application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I think we may have a different idea of budget! but thanks for the input - I'm looking in the below £75 per mic region for them. I know others have reported good serviceable mics from Pulse and the like in this price range but not for this application.I've got an AKG Perception 170 that is quite a nice microphone, robust and has a nice tone to it. I think I got it for roughly £80, but you can get them for between £60 and £80 according to Google :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 These here are rather nice. They come from the same factory that I buy from in China, I had some white box versions as samples, and was quite impressed. I can't import them because the minimum order quantity is 100 - but can easily recommend them. Pretty light weight wise, and really good for use as either a single or twin stereo overhead. For the price, I find it difficult to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revbobuk Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I find the Behringer C4 do a decent job - and they're nice and small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedd Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 The studiospares own brand mics also look interesting. If you can get yourself to a show they've got a tradestand at, they sell them off well below the catalogue price. I picked up a pair of small diaphragm condensers at plasa. Only used them on hi hat so far but they seem pretty ok. Shame they don't make more info available - some numbers and figures would be nice. At that price, I could afford to buy 2 as an experiment. Not had chance to really see the results yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydrus Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I'm more of a light guy but I do like the Oktava MK012 alot, it's not a KM184 but comes close in my opinion. I think we may have a different idea of budget! but thanks for the input - I'm looking in the below £75 per mic region for them. I know others have reported good serviceable mics from Pulse and the like in this price range but not for this application.£75 /mic seems a very tight budget to me indeed.The oktava is "only" around £250 for a matched stereo pair so in comparision to the industry standards it is a budget mike. Good luck with your search! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 That really depends on your interpretation of cheap and budget. To somebody working in a well equipped studio, £250 could be peanuts and 100% budget. To somebody like a student or somebody on a limited income, it's an awful lot of money. £30-£40 a mic would probably be budget for them. To be honest, many of these budget mics are pretty useful things. A box full of budget mics is much more useful than one good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andykelly Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 www.red5audio.com - the best you can get for absolute budget money. Next step up would be a pair of Rode NT5s, step up from that would be a pair of AKG c451s and a step up from that would be a pair of Neumann KM184s ANY of those could be considered budget against something like DPAs / Earthworks / Royers / Schoeps etc. It's your decision as to what 'budget' means to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I believe the actual term used was 'bargain basement' .......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 www.red5audio.com - the best you can get for absolute budget money. Nearly, but not quite! CPC's FX-510L, a fraction under £20 each including VAT - a screaming bargain! Separate switchable pad & hi-pass (many budget mics allow either/or but not both). Slightly noisy if you pump up the gain, but that won't bother you for live use. Otherwise, the sound quality is really quite reasonable. I've had many a visiting engineer with name acts quite happy with these and their D-606 clip on snare/tom mics (around £20 inc VAT when partnered with AT8665 mic clips that actually work) I challenge anyone else to beat these for bargain basement! Although, despite their cheapness, they're really rather good... And bear in mind that there's no law saying that you need 2 overheads - one well placed one can work well, especially in your kind of situation - not to mention saving a few more pennies if money really is that tight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techywhizz Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 Have you tried the SE Electronics SE1a.. I think they are slightly over your budget (about £100 each) but sound great for hats or overheads.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&L Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share Posted October 30, 2011 thanks guys, all incredibly helpfulPaul as ever has a grip of the market I'm in and what I meant by bargain basement. my own feel is the budget is fine for this low fidelity re-enforcement applicationthe AKG 170, reminded me that I have a couple old D190'S I could let the band try - anyone any feel of D190's in this application - when I have used them for live mic'ing guitars I find them a little 'quiet' i.e. the gain on the desk has to be well up and then the threshold between decent sound and feedback is minimal.the pulse fx-510L look perfect for the job and have the added attraction that CPC is only a mile from my rehearsal storage unit. I'm also taking on board the recommends for the t bone and red5. thanks guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revbobuk Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 I've got both the Behringer C4 and the T-bone, and can't honestly discern any difference - I like the dark finish of the C4 better. I've also used the D190 for drum overheads - I think they do a good job; plenty of bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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