BigYinUK Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 @Alec - That's generally the reaction we get :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Great! That's virtually the same as our plan - so it's good to see it working nicely. Since posting this morning, it's just occurred to me I have a Behringer rack mixer with 8 mic inputs somewhere - I can't place it at the moment, but it's somewhere, and I just checked and it has inserts, so there are my feeds! I could simply pop that and the P16i in a small rack and it would be simple? All I'd need to do is make sure the order of the inputs mimics the way the P16s work on the X32, so I don't have to remove the labels - just a few will be wrong. I like your return for the drums - because our music is quite drum light, I was thinking of splitting out the overheads and the kick, because none of us have much drums in our mix anyway - leaves me the DI for the keys. we always mic the guitar and bass cabs anyway - so the 8 inputs would work for the mics and 2 lines for the keys. Looks like I might be able to put together a system that will be swappable from the X32 to the other system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigYinUK Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share Posted September 15, 2014 Glad to maybe be of some help :) Regards Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peza2010 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 now I know you mix your own ears id say yes to a man out front. my point without knowing that, was that a man out front can make a good difference to the sound. however the wrong man on the monitor board and your in for a bumpy ride. my 9 piece band have had a couple of terrible monitor engineers, and when things are that way, it is not fun at all, and very nearly fell apart. Sounds a bit ott, but in a big band, with brass, there are things I really need to hear, and things I really dont want to hear. e2a: my pet hate is monitor engineers that mess about. ive had mixes that have gone from brilliant at the first song of a set to awful by the end. I guess they must think they are helping, but just leave it alone!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 We're mid transition - but the personal mixers are a real hit for me - BUT - if somebody changes gains on the desk, then it can go wrong very quickly - because on my P16, I've got 12 channels that do something, and although it's quick to bash one button and turn up or down one source, it much trickier when you can't immediately work out what exactly happened - apart from it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigYinUK Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 BUT - if somebody changes gains on the desk, then it can go wrong very quickly That's exactly why we decided to put our's before FOH and use a splitter. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter F Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 We're mid transition - but the personal mixers are a real hit for me - BUT - if somebody changes gains on the desk, then it can go wrong very quickly - because on my P16, I've got 12 channels that do something, and although it's quick to bash one button and turn up or down one source, it much trickier when you can't immediately work out what exactly happened - apart from it's wrong. Here's an idea... You could use ADA8000's or more likely their replacement ADA 8200 as both analogue to digital converter for your P16i and splitter for analogue audio to FOH. They have 8 balanced line level outputs on XLR on the rear panel. Assuming your monitor gains are all sensible this could be a neat and cost effective solution. It's got the Midas name on it as well if that floats your boat. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart91 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The only potential snag with this approach is that you only have whatever mixing facilities are built into the P16. The OP is having to use an additional mixer to get reverb into his vocalists mixes, for example. But for those with simpler requirements, it could work great. I'd be tempted by a X32 rack personally, it's a bit more expensive overall than two ADAs and a P16, but it does a lot more too and could easily perform FOH duties for smaller self-operated gigs but retains a small enough form factor to be tour-friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbuckley Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I'd be tempted by a X32 rack personally, it's a bit more expensive overall than two ADAs and a P16...Looks like Behringer may have been listening; the new Air series mixers look a cost effective option for an Ultralink to P16 mixer, having, depending on the model, up to 16 mic pres, and an ultralink output. Wont be a flexible as an X32, but more so than ADAs and a P16i, and has effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulears Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Behringer do seem to be on a roll, the other manufacturers are playing catchup all the time. Just shows the economies in replacing mechanics with software, especially when the control surfaces the customers already have! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&L Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 I swore I would never mix on an ipad by choice but the xr16 comes in at a little over £300 and and fits in the palms of two hands.... I'm starting to think that at the price it would be mad NOT to have one. especially if the sound quality is similar to the x32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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