LED Pars

[BlueShift]

Hey guys,

 

we are up for getting some new lighting kit in our warehouse. currently we have 24 par cans (12 on stage, 12 on cieling) and im looking at getting two profiles. I also came accross the LED par fixtures on usedlighting.co.uk and they looked like a great way to get some colormixing happening. I particularly had my eye on the par64 short nose variety for 94 GBP each + VAT.

 

So my question is - how bright are they? and I assume they take up 3 DMX channels each?

 

Cheers

[minimac]

these take up 4 DMX channels another 1 for brightness :)

I was also intersested in these same led par's. but have had some reports that they are pretty useless as far as output goes.

 

you could try

http://www.10outof10.co.uk/acatalog/42421.jpgled par56 £99.88

 

or

 

http://www.10outof10.co.uk/acatalog/42431.jpg led par64 £108

 

from 10 out of 10 these are by showtec

[BlueShift]

these take up 4 DMX channels another 1 for brightness :P

I was also intersested in these same led par's. but have had some reports that they are pretty useless as far as output goes.

 

you could try

http://www.10outof10.co.uk/acatalog/42421.jpgled par56 £99.88

 

or

 

http://www.10outof10.co.uk/acatalog/42431.jpg led par64 £108

 

from 10 out of 10 these are by showtec

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and brightness on these?

[the kid]

All LED fixtures I've seen dont have lenses on can you use them on LED's ? Becasue whats the spread area of those LED pars ?

[andystone]

All LED fixtures I've seen dont have lenses on can you use them on LED's ? Becasue whats the spread area of those LED pars ?

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I don't know about the ones above, but most LED fittings of this type are available with different lenses, but these fit on each LED. You can't just put one lens in front of the LEDs as this only works with a point source such as a conventional lamp.

[Mush]

Individual lenses are used on high power LEDs such as Luxeon Star used in SGM Palco, AC ColourBlock, Ayrton Eyecolor etc.

 

http://www.fraensrl.com/prodinfo.html

 

Xilver Droplet uses a big deep condensor lens to focus beam from many individual high power LEDs into one beam.

 

Showtec units use discrete 5mm low power LEDs that have the lens moulded as part of the LED itself.Only way to change beam angle, typically 15 degrees, is to use a diffuser, like a gel frost.

 

As a very rough guide, 5mm LEDs have a current consumption of 20mA, Luxeon Star and other high power LEDs consume 350mA.

 

So one LS is roughly equivalent in output to 17.5 5mm LEDs.

[SceneMaster]

Could these fixtures be for back lighting stages from behind? I usually behind my stages (depending on the event) have a row of P56s with some colour in, would these be any good as a replacement for the P56s? This would mean I could have more colour combinations. They wouldn’t have to have a very high output as they are not really lighting the stage. They would however have to show up and be able to make beams through haze (for creating fan effects).

 

Would these be suitable?

[Guest lightnix]

...and brightness on these?

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10 Out Of 10 is run by Blue Room member Paul J Need. He / they are based in South-East London and I'm sure he'll be happy to give you a demo :huh:

 

Sorry for the late reply.

[lampieman]

These units pictured are same as usedlightings units.

 

I contacted Usedlighting regarding these. Output is reportedly same as a Par 56 300w lamp (par 64 version) I am aiming to get a couple of Par64 versions when they arrive in UK they are not expect for a couple of weeks.

 

Gareth

[Light Tricks]

Xilver Droplet uses a big deep condensor lens to focus beam from many individual high power LEDs into one beam.

 

 

Sorry to be picky, but actually the Droplet uses a dichroic glass system which has 2 crossed pieces of glass which reflect or allow a colour to pass through to combine the beam, hence no 3 colour shadow in the beam like most other rgb fixtures. The light plastic lens at the front is solely used to change the beam angle.

[ChrisD]

or

 

http://www.10outof10.co.uk/acatalog/42431.jpg led par64 £108

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WHY does that par 64 have a colour frame? EH!? Other than diffusing it or sticking ND in, which would reduce the light output even further, what a daft place to stick a colour frame!

[ben.suffolk]

WHY does that par 64 have a colour frame? EH!?  Other than diffusing it or sticking ND in, which would reduce the light output even further, what a daft place to stick a colour frame!

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My guess is that they have just used a standard casing, rather then design a new one (for cost reasons). The standard casing had a clip for the colour frame and they though it looked silly without putting the colour frame in. It probably only costs a few pence to include the frame.

 

Alternatively like you said it might be handy to put a light diffuser in like a 119 or even a 132

 

EDIT: More to the point, looking at them I notice the PAR56 and the PAR64 have the same number of LEDs (153), so why would you pay the extra for the 64 anyway, unless the 64 being bigger has a different beam spread maybe? I doubt it has brighter LEDs as the cost difference is so little.

 

Ben

[gareth]

WHY does that par 64 have a colour frame? EH!?

You could put some frost in it to smooth out any lumpiness in the beam. Or some heavy diffusion - might be handy if you were using the pars as "eye candy" rather than illumination. Or some silk if you wanted to spread the beam a bit along one axis. Or a tophat if you were having problems with flare. Or barndoors. Or .... :(

[P. Funk]

Alternatively, maybe the one pictured is just open white?

[Darkfold]

LED output is quite low, you dont want to be loosing it to a gel as well...

 

I would be tempted to say have a look at these instead. They will cost more, but will probably look better on the stage.